Networks

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

Quynh — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:32:02 GMT

Wireless modem??? please dont use that, their power gain can not be set and are built to have very low output. Not to mention you can not connect good antenna on them.

Try and get two wireless bridge instead. Make sure the connectors are compatible with the antenna.

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

dwelp — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:06:52 GMT

Just got their flyer in the mail last week http://www.l-com.com/home.aspx

Don't remember ever ordering from them, but I might have 8 or 9 years ago.

Dave

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

roboticmarc — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:42:14 GMT

thanks rog and the rest of ya but i put it on hold. i disconnected the service and connected service to the other property because that's where i'm staying at. the other property still needs internet, though, and going wireless seems to be the better option...where can i find this 23 dBi narrow beam antenna? is it easy to hook up...mount the antenna and position to the other property? does the antenna hook up to the wireless modem?

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

Rog — Wed, 27 May 2009 04:47:10 GMT

roboticmark, just say "no" to...

--anything someone from Best Buy says,
--any product that you can buy at Best Buy
--anything with the word "booster" in it
--any wireless antenna other than a panel with a narrow beam angle (e.g. 23 dBi)

Just say "yes" to...

--most of what donc, dwelp, and quynh say.
--talking to someone who knows what's up
--doing a link budget with anything you do wireless related (yeah, I know it's not needed, but trust me, do it).
--posting back here what you ultimately decide to do

This solution is like a train wreck waiting to happen. I love it.

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

donc — Wed, 13 May 2009 05:06:21 GMT

roboticmarc:
no technical volunteer and not sure how to obtain one..i got a couple a friends that might know a thing or two about networking but not totally sure if they could help me. worth a try.

That's OK, just thought it was worth asking - I'm sure we can help you work it out!

roboticmarc:
OK - I'm sure we can help you work through it!i'm looking at hawkins wifi booster and will look down the line for a receiver in case the connection isn't that great.

Agree with the poster above - a good antenna will serve you better than a booster, although you should try just a single directional antenna first rather than buying two straight up (point it to the standard Wireless Access Point Antenna at the other end) - I've setup links much longer than 600 ft with a single directional antenna pointing at the small dipole antenna provided with the Wireless Access Point - duel directional antennas are more commonly used for links in excess of several kilometers.

The good news is... your line of site sounds good and I think you should be able to get a Wireless link up and running with minimal problems providing the antenna you buy is properly wind-rated (noting your comments on weather - check out the pic of the antenna in the link in my post above)

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

Quynh — Wed, 13 May 2009 04:51:47 GMT

It is all about antenna. Forget the signal booster(it only work in omni mode). You need to get two really good directional antenna and point them ateach other.

If you dont have the money, then look up bi-quad antenna modification from a standard 18" satellite dish.

And stay away from those over the counter equipments

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

roboticmarc — Wed, 13 May 2009 04:45:45 GMT

no technical volunteer and not sure how to obtain one..i got a couple a friends that might know a thing or two about networking but not totally sure if they could help me. worth a try.

i'm looking at hawkins wifi booster and will look down the line for a receiver in case the connection isn't that great.

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

donc — Tue, 12 May 2009 18:49:25 GMT

roboticmarc:
i am gonna have to wikipedia/lookup those technical jargons. i'm a novice and quite clueless but i will be looking online, possibly ebay or google product search since most techie stores don't carry antenna/receiver for wifi, etc..

To be completely honest, if you find these terms difficult then I would not recommend you attempt this project without seeking onsite assistance. Do you have access to a technical volunteer you could enlist to help with this deployment?

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

roboticmarc — Tue, 12 May 2009 15:45:04 GMT

yes, i can see the property from the other, vice versa. both are on the same acreage of land. i am gonna have to wikipedia/lookup those technical jargons. i'm a novice and quite clueless but i will be looking online, possibly ebay or google product search since most techie stores don't carry antenna/reciever for wifi, etc..

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

donc — Tue, 12 May 2009 03:37:55 GMT

This may work, but it depends on your topography - for one of my wireless links I utilized a small 24 dbi grid antena at the ADSL end, and a standard wireless access point dipole (the default) antenna at the other end - the link is approx 700 metres between the two sites with a few trees in between, but basically good line of site between the sites. The link has been up for nearly 3 years without requiring any maintenance on my part.

Can you see one site from the other when you look out a window? - This is the critical point when considering line-of-site wireless.

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

dwelp — Tue, 12 May 2009 03:25:45 GMT

If you can get the wireless set up with out contracted labor and services then if you can get all your money back if it doesn't perform for you, that could be a great way to try it out.

If you have to have an electrician mount and wire antennas on the outside of the buildings to point to each other then you are on the hook for the labor and parts.

The risk I see is if it works great in nice spring weather, but fails during a thunder / wind storm or if you are in a snow area, have it fail during snow or ice storms.

I would look at external higher gain directional antennas also.

Dave

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

roboticmarc — Tue, 12 May 2009 02:10:24 GMT

i got some advice from a best buy associate...they say i can try a signal booster for my wireless internet access (like a satellite - pin-pointing it to the other property) and/or also a receiver at the other property pointing to property with the internet. does that sound like a good option?

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

dwelp — Mon, 11 May 2009 18:16:37 GMT

Your DSL service is a point to point service from the Phone Company's central office to your one DSL modem, If you try to parallel a second DSL modem the DSL equipment at the phone company will not know which one to "hook up to" and neither may work. To share your Internet connection between the two buildings you will need to extend your Ethernet network between the two buildings. The best and safest way to do this is with a fiber optic connection so there is no copper electrical connection between the buildings.

The next best would be to use a bridge device that will let you run the Ethernet network between the buildings with a long copper link between. Black Box and others sell equipment to extend an Ethernet network between buildings.

http://www.blackbox.com/Store/Detail.aspx/Ethernet-Extender-Data-Only/LB200A-R2

The last option would be to run native 10mb Ethernet between the buildings on copper wiring.

With any of the copper wire solutions you must install station protection at each end of the wire to prevent a dangerous or possibly fatal situation. If one of your buildings were to experience a power surge or lightning strike, that voltage spike could travel through the copper wire between the buildings and cause damage to people or equipment connected inside the other building. The phone company mitigates the risk by installing station protection on each end of the wires traveling between buildings (even on cables buried underground.)

This can even be an issue if the ground reference between the building changes. (kind of like people who got electrocuted by touching the disk washer and refrigerator at the same time and there was a grounding issue with one of the appliances.)

That is why the Fiber optic is the best solution.

Your phone line between the buildings needs the station protection also.

Dave

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

roboticmarc — Mon, 11 May 2009 16:35:41 GMT

so i need to repeat the signal for telephone line (dsl)? at least 2 hubs or 2 switches? I was just planning to hook the phone line to the other property and connect it to another modem.

about the wireless bridge w/ directional antenna...i'm just afraid due to weather (here, its bad) and trees might interfere with the signal...plus if i have to reset the modem or whatever...i'll have to go quite away (to the other property) to do that.

Re: Please Help: DSL/Telephone Line Shared between (600 feet) 2 properties?

Quynh — Mon, 11 May 2009 06:30:07 GMT

I havent really tried, but the analog phone loop can go really far(almost infinite), a loop in an average house can go up to 1000 feet. so just run cable to share your phones.

In order to share your internet connection between 600 feet, you need to have something to repeat the signal every 328 feet(hub, switch).

Wireless bridge with directional antenna to connect the two sites is the way to go.