Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

Latest post 10-27-2005 12:42 PM by Susan_Tenby. 28 replies.

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-22-2005 10:32 AM

Hello this is Usha i want to join in your online Event please let me know.Thank you
Usha christie

Web 3.0? =)

10-24-2005 10:24 AM

Hello all, I think this is great and was very happy to find out about it. I also like the fact that groups like NTEN and TechSoup are now beginning to focus on the bigger picture items re: technology and NPOs versus the nuts and bolts (both are important I realize).

I think this has lots to do with the internal pushing of some off-shoot adventures like the Roundtables on Innovation a year or two ago and articles that framed the conversation as a reflective "hey, look what we did in the first 10 years, what does the next 10 years look like?"

This is good - for many reasons. Primarily because I think it focuses the community to plan ahead -- something that NPOs and consultants at times don't have the time/resources/energy to do.

That said, I am not sure wikis, blogs, RSS feeds are the "future" of NPOs and tech. They're the here and now. So I suggest pushing the conversation even more into the future and posing the question to this forum -- what really is the future of NP technology?

Nevertheless, well done all!! Think this is great!!



RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-24-2005 3:52 PM

Perhaps a good way to examine the 2.0 meme is to describe what things the new technologies allow users to do differently than traditional web techs?

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-24-2005 5:02 PM

Funny this came up because I have been preparing a white paper on this. I will release it later this week and post the url.



Here is the gist: I think that Web 2.0 is really a misnomer. It is a collection of largely un-related technologies that have all been around for at least a year. If you had to describe the whole package, you might say "Here are technologies that were not available when the web started, but they are now, although none of them are being used that much."

So what are we talking about here?

  • "AJAX" - creating web pages like google maps and google suggest and OWA, that update while you are watching, instead of only when you submit.

  • Combining blogs and RSS feeds into web sites.

  • "Tagging" images and posts, so others can see your responses to them.

  • New uses of FLASH that create more interactive pages and more useful forms


There is more, but this is the basic idea. I think these are important advances, and each will have some advances here and there for NPOs, especially when they are used as part of a well-planned strategy.


But they are not elements that need to be used together; they are just new advances in web technology, just like animated gifs, audio, streaming video, integrated server scripting packages (ASP, PHP, CF, etc), web services, CSS, XHTML and others.


So in the end, the message doesn't change -- make your strategic plan carefully, and then see how technology can help you make it happen.


Eric Segal - Eric@datacollaborative.com

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-25-2005 3:05 AM

I must say that I am inclined to agree with Eric the mix of stuff that Susan mentions as topics like RSS feeds, Wiki, widgets have been around for a while.

Like any technology they can be useful and they can be mismanaged. The top message is the same as ever be clear about your aims and objectives All this technology stuff is only tools, of course the next problem is knowing what will be the best tool for the job. My experience in the UK is that the bigger not for profits are more on top of things,to others it is like they have spent ages learning the alphabet and now someone has thrown in a whole bunch of new letters.

Pete Cheer

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-25-2005 10:53 AM

Would you please define AJAX and OWA for me?

RE: Defining Web 2.0

10-25-2005 11:18 AM

See http://www.theregister.com/2005/10/21/web_two_point_nought_poll/
for an interesting "meme map" of the concepts involved in Web 2.0 as described by Tim O'Reilly at a recent conference in SF. Be advised that the surrounding text is quite cynical about whether 2.0 amounts to much new.

Full conference info is at http://www.web2con.com/, but regrettably there appears to be few actual presentations.

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-25-2005 11:23 AM

Leshoffman, there will be a thorough discussion of AJAX on Friday, according to the agenda for the week's topics. But I think that you are not alone in not knowing what terms like AJAX and OWA mean.

And to Pete Cheer, I agree that these technologies have been around for a while, but to echo what I said in this other thread, RSS, wiki, widgets and blogging may be the present for some organizations, but they are not being presently used by many small organzations. It may be the here and now for nonprofit tech agencies, but the small nonprofits that I know of have never even heard of RSS or wikis.

Check out the other thread and let's keep the debate going over there.

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-25-2005 3:53 PM

I'm an office administrator in a small SF social services Non-Profit,(40 employees). I work with technology all day, help maintain our site www.tarcsf.org. I've never heard of wiki or RSS.

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-25-2005 11:48 PM

I'm delighted someone refered me to your online conference this week and I look forward to participating as much as I am able.

One question though, I'm new here and I wonder -- will the discussions in this Emerging Technoloy Forum be available online for reference for a while?

Or should I frantically glean the site for useful information and save stuff off that I think I'll need later.

A bit of a newbie question, but I hope you don't mind...

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-26-2005 8:07 AM

Eric, I totally agree that all of the technologies have existed for some time (a whole year or two, which is ages in tech-terms). And I also agree that the technologies may not necessarily need to be grouped or used together. But I do think it's important that we recognize a significant shift in the way the Internet is allowing people to communicate and share information. I'm reminded of Marshall McLuhan's well known quote, "The medium is the message," and the medium has changed significantly since nonprofits began posting their first web pages.

An organization's web presence is no longer limited to the messages that they strategically post on their "official" websites. In fact, I would argue that the website is one of the more insignificant aspects of a nonprofit's web presence. See Michael Gilbert's Email Manifesto for an example about what I'm talking about here. In an upcoming podcast of mine, I will be airing an interview where Michael and I talk more about why organizations should not fear viral (unmanaged) communication (blogs, IM, social networks). The type of communication that is very typical of Web2.0 technologies.

Corey
web: http://www.501c3cast.com
rss: http://feeds.feedburner.com/501c3cast

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-26-2005 11:11 AM

Hi NcSmith,

Yes, I am happy to say that the discussions will remain in this forum, for your future gleaning (is that a word?) Having said that, the hosts will not be here. The event is only going on until Friday evening, so if you have questions about this stuff, i recommend that you ask them soon, before the week's end.

Just out of curiosity, how did you hear about this event? You mentioned that soemone told you. We don't often get the chance to find out where everyone comes from, so I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit.

thanks,

Susan

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-26-2005 7:26 PM

Susan,

I mentioned this event in my podcast. I don't have a TON of listeners, but I'd like to think a few people checked it out per my advice.

Personally, I'm enjoying reading and participating in the discussions!

Thanks,

Corey
web: http://www.501c3cast.com
rss: http://feeds.feedburner.com/501c3cast

RE: Online Event: week of October 24th - Impact of Web 2.0 on nonprofits

10-27-2005 12:42 PM

Wow Corey! Thanks! AFAIK, that is our first podcast referral. Your contributions to this event have been really interesting. Keep 'em coming!